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    My take for the scene: fans oriented events took the main stage, fight between fans orientation and commercialism, commericialism took central stage and back to the fans orientation.
    It's a cycle which can't be stopped. Even if it is stopped, it is just a delay into the next process.
    I feel the fans oriented events have past its prime. Just like business. Cash cow do dies. We are just waiting for renewal.
    ODEX Holocaust Day. 02082007. One year later, we will remember this day.

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    i think i mixed up some stuff in my last post.

    but i think some others here have corrected that mistake...

    so no more question on how this food chain idea works now?

    how about talking about the topic instead?
    how much mascots are being paid and why they are being paid so much isn't the main focus here.
    I love it when i can get emotional responses from you all without doing much. Too easy

    Use the Ignore List, it's the best function of this forum,everything else is just fluff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kogarasumaru
    this has been sort of, a lingering question in my head for a while. with the last event that took place over the weekend i felt i need to seek opinions:

    what makes a TRUE cosplay event? ;]
    Has there been a cosplay event before? heh looking at japan, it's usually part of some other event isn't it?


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    finally. after one big round. but thank you all about the mascoting rates. ;]

    why not change the topic slightly this way, for iamacow. and everyone.

    since you brought up that there may not have been a cosplay event in singapore so far, how should a cosplay event be, if it takes centerstage?
    and should it?

    and please, tolong tolong, stay on track. thanks.
    i'd like to feel motivated to check on your opinion if not suggestions, than feeling like pulling it off just in case i see everyone getting triggerhappy. =_=;


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    Quote Originally Posted by aerospace85
    Since KeoKepa had done the explaination, I don't think there's anything I wanna add further.
    You'd better check on your facts before bombing your comments.

    That's all I wanna tell you.
    Yes, oh great one. I bow to your mighty wisdom.


    OK, since the rest of you guys got points I don't can't agree with, I'll check it out more on my end.

    Events wise.... heck, nothing more from me man.


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    china:
    don't be sarcastic.

    i'm suppose to be the sarcastic one.
    I love it when i can get emotional responses from you all without doing much. Too easy

    Use the Ignore List, it's the best function of this forum,everything else is just fluff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kogarasumaru
    finally. after one big round. but thank you all about the mascoting rates. ;]

    why not change the topic slightly this way, for iamacow. and everyone.

    since you brought up that there may not have been a cosplay event in singapore so far, how should a cosplay event be, if it takes centerstage?
    and should it?

    and please, tolong tolong, stay on track. thanks.
    i'd like to feel motivated to check on your opinion if not suggestions, than feeling like pulling it off just in case i see everyone getting triggerhappy. =_=;
    What I'm saying is, has there ever been a pure cosplay event before? in the world? It's always part of an anime/manga convention isn't it? Cosplay itself being somewhat a derivative of anime/manga, it's lacking not to have either at a cosplay event ya?
    In Japan, they get to meet manga artists, shake hands etc with them.. get their autographs.. get special previews etc etc..
    Singapore we get.. para para without fail at every event. Maybe I'm getting old, I really don't get the link between anime and para para. It's like WTF man, performances totally unrelated to the anime/manga the cosplayers are doing can actually win competitions @ local cosplay events.. (*point to the para para gangs)
    Personally I feel that the link between cosplay and its roots is lost in all Singapore events.
    In singapore they can always involve the japan embassy. If organisers are still lost as to what to do, if i can get a fee waiver to future events I'll start to point out the obvious..


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    iamacow:
    i think i've been doing that for quite some time (pointing out the obvious) over the years i've attended events and i've paid my way into all the events. don't be a cheapo.

    it's not a matter of just suggestions or pointing out the obvious, lots of people do that after each event(we're doing it right now infact). it's a matter of how much effort is put in to get something done right. the clubs just haven't gotten around to doing it.

    the japan embassy wouldn't support this(don't think so).
    the singapore japanese association maybe(higher possibility, and did i get it right? singapore-japanese association? can't remember).
    but thats not the point here. what i really want to say is directed at kogarasumaru,written below.

    kogarasumaru:
    frankly.
    the event organisers already have all the answers to ALL the problems.
    asking for a second, third,..., tenth,... hundredth option isn't going to change a single thing.

    talk is cheap. get something going before asking "am i doing this right?" instead of "i am doing this right" when nothing has changed.

    -lack of man power? start recuiting members. i meant active members. not people who pay $$$ to get a stupid card that says "membership"

    -key members leaving? have 2 or 3 people training for the same position for backups. or fire the person running the show if it's a leadership issue.

    -not enough funds? get alternative entertaiment/venues/ask for sponser help(approach J embassy/SJA?)/etc etc etc

    -too much complains rgding events? start listening to our suggestions and DO SOMETHING instead of just saying you're doing it. again. talk is cheap.

    actually. all the points above, everything else other then the last one, is secondary.

    by right and in a normal situation. complains should get lesser and lesser and shouldn't be about the SAME issue after each feedback. which isn't happening.

    so solve that part first. everything else. can wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeoKepa
    iamacow:
    i think i've been doing that for quite some time (pointing out the obvious) over the years i've attended events and i've paid my way into all the events. don't be a cheapo.

    it's not a matter of just suggestions or pointing out the obvious, lots of people do that after each event(we're doing it right now infact). it's a matter of how much effort is put in to get something done right. the clubs just haven't gotten around to doing it.

    the japan embassy wouldn't support this(don't think so).
    the singapore japanese association maybe(higher possibility, and did i get it right? singapore-japanese association? can't remember).
    but thats not the point here. what i really want to say is directed at kogarasumaru,written below.
    ROFL. If I can save I will try.

    And pointing out the obvious is tough work. Most people just don't see the obvious.

    I'm talking about the quality of events, as well as the amount/quality of contents. I'm not pointing out about the obvious flaws in event handling etc etc. I just think that the current events are nothing more than a simple gathering. The way things are gonig, the people in the planning room are lacking creativity, or are seriously contented enough to keep things the way they are.

    If you have the correct sales pitch, you can definitely get the embassies to help. So far I've managed to get 6 embassies to help provide (stalls/attire/music/performances/contacts etc etc) for various events. Of course, they're always FREE events, not an event charging to "cover cost". Those events will have limited exposure opportunities, and it'll be much harder to persuade others to provide for free.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kogarasumaru
    this has been sort of, a lingering question in my head for a while. with the last event that took place over the weekend i felt i need to seek opinions:

    what makes a TRUE cosplay event? ;]
    There is no such thing as a TRUE cosplay event...
    There is only a SUCCESSFUL cosplay event...

    Successfulness is measured by whether the event committee's target
    has been reached.....

    The fashion show thingy event.....did not entertain the people...they took the wrong strategy and failed...
    SCC noes about cosplay and what people wants....it organise events based on a different strategy....it succeeds...

    Mascot: Prices are determined by economics...law of demand and supply... But I do say that sometimes freelancers do spoil the market by taking any donkey rates set by companies whose main aim is "save cost"
    Last edited by Mirage_cld; May 14th, 06 at 11:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamacow
    What I'm saying is, has there ever been a pure cosplay event before? in the world? It's always part of an anime/manga convention isn't it? Cosplay itself being somewhat a derivative of anime/manga, it's lacking not to have either at a cosplay event ya?
    In Japan, they get to meet manga artists, shake hands etc with them.. get their autographs.. get special previews etc etc..
    Singapore we get.. para para without fail at every event. Maybe I'm getting old, I really don't get the link between anime and para para. It's like WTF man, performances totally unrelated to the anime/manga the cosplayers are doing can actually win competitions @ local cosplay events.. (*point to the para para gangs)
    Personally I feel that the link between cosplay and its roots is lost in all Singapore events.
    In singapore they can always involve the japan embassy. If organisers are still lost as to what to do, if i can get a fee waiver to future events I'll start to point out the obvious..
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